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Most Over-Rated Boy Actor Films Ever
20. Sep 2006 at 18:16
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This thread is dedicated to Joseph, un ami seulment who agrees that "Cinema Paradiso" is over-rated.

Hence, the top ten over-rated boy films in the history of cinema:


1)  Padre Padrone

2)  When Father Was Away On Business

3)  Cinema Paradiso

4)  The Omen (1979)

5)  Jumangi

6)  Billy Elliott

7)  Big Daddy

8 )  Oliver Twist (2005)

9)  Central Station

10) Salaam Bombay


Most of these film 'somehow' won an award or two..... yet are truly deserving one such illustrious achievement:  "Best Sedative Boy-Film Of The Year".
  
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Reply #1 - 20. Sep 2006 at 21:19
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I hope this turns into a good thread. The problem with listing out overrated films is that it hinges on the poster's perception about how well the film has been received by the public at large.
For this reason I take issue with your inclusion of Big Daddy. An Adam Sandler film is synonymous with low expectations.  Tongue

Personally I like Cinema Paradiso, Billy Elliott , Central Station and Salaam Bombay. The others I don't quarrel with, they just wouldn't make my own list.

Here is what I'd choose

1. Amarcord

2. Gummo

3. Mean Creek

4. Bastien Bastienne

5. Birth

6. Story of the Weeping Camel

7. The Fallen Idol

8. Village of Dreams

9. Time of the Wolf (Haneke)

10. Rois et reine

  
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Reply #2 - 21. Sep 2006 at 12:53
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Some of my least liked boy movies... for different reasons.
I've only included films that were promoted or recommended as being something special...  IMO they weren't!


Funny Games (97) 1/10 nauseating
Max and Moritz Reloaded (05) 1/10 irresponsible film-making
Major Payne (95) 1/10  abysmally unfunny
Mac and Me (88) 2/10 a McDonald's ad pretending to be a movie
Little Giants (94) 2/10 a bad, 'Bad News Bears' clone
Megiddo: Omega Code 2 (01) 3/10 I'm a gettin' sick of crap Armageddon flicks
Jingle All the Way (96) 3/10 embarrassing to watch
Genesis Children (72) 3/10 so frickin' what... YAWN!!
The Swarm (78)..what a waste of talent!
Godsend (04) God-damn awful!
Diabolique (96) 4/10 diabolical Hollywood remake
Daddy Day Care (03) 4/10 formula bland
Collateral Damage (02)  4/10 Total crap!
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (68) 4/10 Yuck! get outta my head!
The Cat in the Hat YUK!
Spy Kids and it's sequels
Mighty Ducks sequels
Beethoven sequels (The dog movies)
Bad News Bears sequels
3 Ninjas sequels

I agree with some of Zab's choices but am astonished that Fallen Idol and Village of Dreams are in his list... two very good films IMO

Nicholas, what can I say... you must have already been on sedatives when you watched Central Station, Salaam Bombay and Billy Elliott to not appreciate them...  all three should have won BEST PICTURE Oscars   :)

So there!!!
  
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Reply #3 - 21. Sep 2006 at 17:08
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lol Cal.

The truth is, that you make a very good list.  With the exception of Genesis Children (for one very unforgettable and entertaining scene), there isn't a film on your list that would be worth watching a second time..... nor were they worth seeing once.

The same for your list, Zabladowski, with of course one exception.  "Birth" is a masterpiece in cinematic history because of what it was able to achieve by means of creating a lifelong debate over who Sean really was (or wasn't).

And watching "The Fallen Idol" is like getting kicked in the head by a mule for 80+ minutes....

As for Central Station and Salaam Bombay, the 'street' actors did not give a realistic portrayel of their roles.... at least not enough to warrant the nominations & awards they garnered.  If you'd like to discuss street-urchin films that are truly stellar.... try "Pixote", "Boot Polish", "Mondo", and "Sciuscia".

And Billy Elliott.... no comment.  That hour and a half is gone, spent, non-recyclable..... forever and ever.

Good point Zabladowski, about "Big Daddy".  It certainly didn't win awards, and rightfully so.  But it did seem to bring in a bundle at the box-office. 

Unfortunately, amidst these pitiful performances.....so many good films are never made available to the public.

  
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Reply #4 - 21. Sep 2006 at 23:22
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Interesting thread. First, my responses to the films mentioned that I've seen...

Padre Padrone: I saw it years ago and remember almost nothing about the actual film. All I remember is being bored to tears.

Cinema Paradiso: Like I said earlier, I consider this film overrated, too. However, it's not so terrible. I didn't particularly dislike it. I just don't see what all the fuss is about. And it's way too nostalgic for my tastes.

The Omen (1979): Yeah, overrated. I actually preferred the first sequel (never saw the others), but even that wasn't great.

Billy Elliott: I don't know if it's overrated, but I really like the story and the acting. I do have a huge problem with the film though: are we really supposed to believe that this teenager is 11 years old? I like Jamie Bell's presence in the film. I'm not saying they should have cast someone else - but they should have rewritten his role and made him 14.

Oliver Twist (2005): I don't think it's overrated, because I don't believe anyone actually was that impressed with it. The boy playing Oliver is cute. But aside from that, it's thoroughly conventional and forgettable. Polanski used to be a great filmmaker.

Central Station: Oh yes. Very overrated. I liked it the first time I saw it, but the second time I was turned off by the overbearing sentimentalist approach. There are a few shots at the end that just make me want to gag. VERY cute boy, though.

Amarcord: Depends how you judge it. As a "boy movie" - I agree it's not great. As an average Fellini movie, it kind of does the trick. Far from his best work, but far from his weakest either.

Gummo: Again, depends how you judge it. If you're expecting anything like a conventional film, you'll probably hate it. As a challenging piece of experimental filmmaking, it's actually quite interesting. Not one of my favourite films, but I respect its radical rejection of traditional filmmaking expectations.

Mean Creek: Not overrated. I think it's great.

Birth: I would argue this is underrated, actually. Most people don't really like it. I do.

Time of the Wolf (Haneke): Again, underrated. It's one of Haneke's most difficult films, but Haneke is making some of the most intelligent and formally daring films I've seen The more of his work I see, the more I am in awe of him. He's probably one of my top 10 favourite directors working today.

Funny Games: Well, Haneke sure is not getting a lot of love on this forum. :) This was the first of his films that I saw and I didn't like it at first. Now, several years later, having seen most of his other films,  read a lot film theory/criticism, and become more familiar with contemporary international cinema, I consider it one of the most important films of the past decade.

Mac and Me: Calling this overrated is ridiculous, but not because it has any value whatsoever. It's just that everyone I know who has ever seen it considers it one of the worst films ever made - or, like Cal says, don't even believe that it qualifies as a "film". An complete waste of celluloid to be avoided at all cost.

Jingle All the Way: Very, very bad. Again, I don't know who considers this a good film, though, so probably not overrated.

Godsend: Agreed! This is a terrible film.

Diabolique: I haven't seen the remake and I don't intend to see it. I saw the original at the Cinematheque last night, though, and it's brilliant!

Spy Kids: I've only seen the first, and I didn't care for it at all.

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Now for my own picks:

Digger (1993) - I rented it and tried watching it three times. Never made it to the end. Everytime the kid started whistling I got the urge to throw something at my television.

Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter and Spring (2003) - Pretentious and vacuous generic Asian film fooling international audiences into thinking it's a profound, spiritually uplifting film, just because it contains a few pretty pictures and not much dialogue.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005) - It pains me to include this in the list, because I had such high hopes for it. Freddie Highmore is brilliant and beautiful. But the film is crap.

Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) - I'm not sure this counts, because most people know it's crap. But I'd be inclined to say even those who don't like it probably overrate it. It's even worse than people say it is.

For a Lost Soldier (1992) - So terribly unfaithful to the book! Contains none of the subtlety, complexity or grace that the novel has. The story and characters were simplified, and in the process the essence of it all was completely lost. I would love to remake this film. (Probably never going to happen.)

Hearts in Atlantis (2001) - Sickening. This is the movie that made me hate Stephen King.

Turtles Can Fly (2004) - I appreciate the director's good intentions and the message of the film, but that doesn't change the fact that it's poor filmmaking filled with obvious and heavy-handed clichés. (Baby crying next to barbwire fence? Give me a break!)

The Cell (2000) - Everyone raves about the great set designs, costumes and art direction. I say the movie still sucks. And the boy doesn't get that much screen time.

Eternity and a Day (1998) - Considered a masterpiece by many. The story is all right, but I couldn't stand the style. That incessant slow camera movement is infuriating.

George Washington (2000) - A poor Terrence Malick ripoff with one of the worst screenplays I've ever encountered. How this movie can be considered great is a complete mystery to me. Nice cinematography, though.
  
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Reply #5 - 21. Sep 2006 at 23:38
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Gotta add one more:

Life Is Beautiful (1997) - An insult to the intelligence.

PS: Doing this list made me look at my ratings again. I really need to review those ratings. It's amazing to what extent I have become more critical/harsh these past few years. I really am turning into a film snob. (And I like it, hehe.)

PPS: For an interesting look at how much my perspective has changed on some of these films, see the thread on Funny Games in the Movie Reviews forum. I just posted a reply to my own review of the film, which I wrote four years and now COMPLETELY disagree with.
  
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Reply #6 - 22. Sep 2006 at 00:35
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Interesting how one person's treasure is another person's trash... and just as interesting is how one can change one's opinion of a film after a passage of time.

I thought the original Willy Wonka movie was very overrated... I preferred the remake but I must admit that I was disappointed in it.

I do like For a Lost Soldier. I dislike Fellini films. I agree that Birth is underrated not overrated.

The Phantom Menace is not that bad...  I loved the pod race, and I like Jake Lloyd, even though his performance was not that good, but neither were the performances of any of the major actors.

IMO the only actor in any of the Star Wars films that managed to act convincingly was Alec Guiness. George Lucas seems to have a knack of making actors look very amateurish.

Jar Jar Binks was very annoying but probably no worse than those pathetically stupid Ewoks in Return of the Jedi.

anyway... interesting thread, I think we should also start a seperate thread that lists UNDERRATED boy movies.
  
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Reply #7 - 22. Sep 2006 at 00:45
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By the way, I never saw the original Willy Wonka or read the book. I was just judging the film as a film.

I agree that George Lucas is incapable of directing actors.
  
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Reply #8 - 22. Sep 2006 at 07:41
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I think we should also start a seperate thread that lists UNDERRATED boy movies.


I agree. I think I'm going to do that.
  
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Reply #9 - 22. Sep 2006 at 19:43
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What a great list, Joseph.  Seems difficult to find even one exception on your most over-rated films. 

"Star Wars Phantom Menace"
"For A Lost Soldier"
"Digger"
"Turtles Can Fly"
(and especially)  "Hearts In Atlantis"

These five give over-rated a new definition.


Some other boy-films to mention..... not because they won awards, but because viewing them was nothing short of painful.

"Carpool"
"Holy Matrimony" (1994 version)
"The Climb" (1998 )  Gregory Smith (actually, any film with Gregory Smith)
"Witness"  (Lukas Haas)
"Mr. Nanny"
"Monsieur Batignole"
"Clara's Heart"
"Into The West"
"Fanny Och Alexander"
"Walkabout"

  
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Reply #10 - 22. Sep 2006 at 23:13
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I haven't seen any of the filims on that additional list. However, I think I will disagree with your inclusion of Fanny and Alexander. I'm a big fan of Ingmar Bergman. I've seen about ten of his films and I've rated all of them between 8/10 and 10/10. I doubt I will find this one "painful to watch."

I also look forward to seeing Walkabout, though I'm not sure I will like it. I like Lukas Haas and I'm sure his performance in Witness must be good, but I don't think I will like the film itself very much.
  
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Reply #11 - 22. Sep 2006 at 23:45
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I fail to see the point of a thread with such a deliberately negative spin. I'll pass on this one.

Okay, I usually do keep quiet when a thread annoys me but I'm commenting so as not to be mistaken for a potted plant here.


Although I do wonder sometimes...
  
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Reply #12 - 23. Sep 2006 at 00:02
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YA,

I think I agree with you, I'm totally bewildered by a lot of the selections. The thread is becoming destructive rather than constructive. I've better things to do.

  
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Reply #13 - 23. Sep 2006 at 00:12
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Jesus Christ. We're just expressing opinions. We're not trying to be "destructive."

Whatever. I'm getting sick of all this bullshit.

Expressing an opinion is becoming less and less appealing here.

I have better things to do as well.
  
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Reply #14 - 23. Sep 2006 at 01:43
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Well, if it helps, I had intended my comment as the very first reply here and decided to hold off. Imagine how I feel at the reaction to my first comment ever, I believe, that could be considered rocking the boat.  Undecided
  
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